To Outhouse man, Just to let you know you posted your comment on a 4 year old post and I feel it is somewhat my fault for not having suggestions or comments at the top of the blog as was done in the past. So you may want to post your comment again. Sorry, Joe
I had originally did such but some complained over the volume. Since I'm only able to post the newest comment under the previous comment, I decided to post a new comment Box when the old one was over 25 comments. Either way is not a problem. Just let me know in the poll on the left what you prefer.
Joe, is there a way to remove the two current directors so that we could elect an entirely new board? Do we need to wait until after the election and ask for their removal? How do we get around the fact that one of those bozos will have to be the board president?
One can use the Bylaw Article IV Section 2, Removal of Directors, but it takes 513 owner votes. How wise would that be to do that? With the two current directors we do know where they stand on important issues and if one is President he never votes unless to make or break ties. To me that could be a plus depending on who is President. On the other hand voting for new directors here reminds me of Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates, you never know what you get.
Joe wrote, "On the other hand voting for new directors here reminds me of Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates, you never know what you get." So true Joe and so many of us have been duped. Problems also lurk in the BOD being able to appoint directors without owner's input or vote. Let's face it, we are in a BIG mess unless good people with sound independent minds decide they have had enough and care about the community enough to step up and get involved. A small band of decent people work to keep this a great place to be but look out if they fall in the cross hairs of the self serving, power hungry, money grubbing group who spend their days deep in their cups and/or plotting. Is this the way to spend our golden years?!
Hope owners are watching how those who would be Directors go about their lives here, conduct themselves at meetings and how they spend their free time...and with whom. Don't be duped by high recognition names when you don't know the person. Look to some of our long term, low profile, involved owners who make their quiet contributions to the village, for their opinion of candidates. We are at a critical time in our evolution and all have seen the problems a director can cause when the common good gets turned to special interests. We would not be facing these financial problems if directors would put aside their own needs for social affiliations and invites to parties and as one director lamented, "loss of party table sign up people because he voted honestly and not how they wanted". Seriously neighbors, at our age! This is adolescent needs speaking not those of seasoned adults who know most true friendships endure differences of opinions when expressed respectably and anyone who would "drop" you because you expressed an honest opinion wasn't your friend anyway. Relationships here come and go for many reasons and choosing a director should not be done for social needs. It's just too important, this is not a summer camp, fishing camp, golf club...it is the permanent home for many seniors, a future retirement home for some and a substantial investment for others. Get serious, get involved and be an informed voter! PLEASE! Remember it's a secret ballot.
on re: to the Security Camera Installation and work thru LIV... I don't remember reading anywhere on this respect... How was the contractor chosen? (SOS SPI) Where there several competitive bids placed? or is this again the case of hiring an amigo to $omeone from the BOD or certain Aramark employee...? (just as it was done during Parking lot fiasco part 1 & 2, and Activities roof repair... amazingly still leaks every time it rains...
Additionally last year before we left we were told Aramark was given funds to fix the gym floor and update the room ($5,000 or so)... and to our surprise why was nothing ever done? and what happened to the already allocated funds?
is there a particular reason the empty restaurant is open? I suggest leftovers be donated to the food pantry surely there most be plenty of them...
We are also owners that think an Independent Audit (not using the current auditor) this is long over due... Would love to know were almost 4 Million dollars go year after year... Appreciate this website and the effort Joe puts in it and the different comments and commentators... signed: The Silver Anons.
?-Who is responsible for monitoring the size of boats coming into LIV? How does a boat too large for it's dock get to dock here? How does a boat requiring too great a draft get to be in our water ways?
?If as many report, our covenants do not require a certain depth in our waterways, why are we held responsible for a boat having difficulty navigating our waterways?
?Since we are much like the rest of the Laguna Madre, with shallows that must be navigated and are the responsibility of the captain, why are we held responsible for the captain's error in LIV?
Is everyone aware we bought new tables for the restaurant? A director was asked why and he said "it was in the budget". Why? They were not needed and we certainly have more pressing need of the money. Where are the old tables? Sold? Given away? All the decor and curtains disappeared after it was closed for a year. Who's in charge?
Fiduciary-involving trust, a TRUSTee. So how does the BOD sec. take a roll call vote on HIS motion to fill BOD vacancies with HIS nominees, record 3 against and 2 for(one being his) and announce the motion passed!!!!! Shame on him! Thanks to other Directors for correcting the blatant disregard for honesty among their APPOINTED co-members. And the fun doesn't stop...outraged #1 covenant breaker now wants the bylaws upheld to fill the BOD vacancies-in a Village of NO transparency this hypocrisy is very transparent.
Additionally The blocking of third party rentals (totally unconstitutional IMO as people can do whatever they want with their properties) this is nothing but a personal vendetta against his formal *partner(after the pool rental was raided...) even worse this same Director is "maintaining" (really more like renting)his so called friends properties... hypocrisy at it's best. I wouldn't be surprised if there is another lawsuit in this regards)
On regards to the dredging news people are so clueless they think the dredging will not longer be done... and no more assessment will be needed... what I smell is another lawsuit (Contractor) against LIV, I hope I am so wrong but this is South Texas... In another note none are talking about the other canal lawsuit: Perez vs LIV ? why?
Interesting. Talk about hypocrisy, how can anyone take a person serious who doesn’t have a clue about Condominium Associations. Google the downside of being in one and the first thing you’re told is to forget about some of your constitutional rights. So the IMO (In my opinion) seems more like IAU (I am uninformed). Again, those who are to blame here are the people who have decided to ignore the Declaration and hire outside people to rent and take care of their rental property, not the person they hired. Throw your criticism first at them, then at Aramark, or is this just a personal thing for you. Speaking of such, I for one personally don’t like this person you’re trying to demonize here, but I must say IMO that there is no person who has done more for this community than him. So give it a rest. PS. Calling Villagers clueless will not help your point here. Most know damn well a dredging assessment is forth coming. They as I do just want it to solve our canal problems and be as inexpensive as possible.
Joe, can you or anyone of the Board of Directors tell me why it is allowed for a person in the audience to text a board member during the meeting. I am under the understanding that questions and comments are to be made at the Coffee with the Directors. The Board Meeting is for the Board to discuss and make decisions. I have been at the last 2 Board meetings and watched texting going on. And then when the recipient does not notice, the textor is holding up their phone and waving to get their attention. I am thinking that the Board should turn their phones off during the meetings. Texting is an intrusion. Also, how childish for the same couple to stand at each meeting and berate the board and also members for the way things are or are not handled. How childish to make up placards to wave around during a meeting. What is wrong with all of you. Isn't it time to GROW UP!!
Joe, Is there a place or a way to find out all the people that have served as Director's in the last 10 years? (whether they served more than once and how did they voted on crucial decisions)
Beware of the wolf(ves) on sheep clothes (suddenly acting nice and wooing the right people) already lobbying (candidates) to keep their control and the power as they have done for many years not to mention holding 'against the rules' private meetings at a certain's ex-director Sea Cottage (She still meddling on affairs that she shouldn't...)
To the owner that suggested No more Director's wives (control freaks)serving on any kind of committee or board... Bravo!
Run Joe Run! :)
Is the board already looking on other companies to replace Aramark? the Current Auditor, and the Current Lawyers?... is about time
All answers you first asked are in the Meeting Minutes and my understanding is that there is no active pursuit at replacements of Aramark, auditors, or our lawyer.
astute observation, do you know the person that is texting the board ? I don't see that cause I sit close to the front not in the back. By the way there is a rumor going around you are selling and movin on, any truth to that ??
There are comments posted here from time to time asking posters if their comments are personal, "Again, those who are to blame here are the people who have decided to ignore the Declaration and hire outside people to rent and take care of their rental property, not the person they hired. Throw your criticism first at them, then at Aramark, or is this just a personal thing for you. " I imagine it is "a personal thing" to everyone who abides by the rules and does not like having $ that is LEGALLY suppose to be going to the HOA funds and NOT individuals esp. when the HOA is needing to assess owners due to lack of income (has it been 3 assessments this past year?, not sure). The attempt to connect dots to comments to try to deflect and demonize others is just more of the spin some like to use to make every "spot on" observation look like it is coming from one or two people and part of some personal vendetta.
It is clear that many are fed up and moving on and the comment " By the way there is a rumor going around you are selling and movin on, any truth to that ??" can be said to many. If that person is still here they have the right to voice their opinion just as many who don't live in Flint have done about the water there. Ask some of the realtors how many NEW listings they have recently, I heard one saying they have never had so many in such a short period of time. So we know that you are upset by the comments someone made about the texting during BOD meetings, I saw it also and wondered about the use of phones during meetings, a BOD member uses one during meetings also, I think people are googling info to support the back and forth debate on issues and don't know how I feel about it or if it is legal, ethical, or just a sign of the times. But I respect the right of the individual to express their opinions and report factual events they see and ask for clarification on events. IMO Nice spin try! Face the fact that MANY of the "silent majority" see the abuses and know who is responsible.
To Back to the future...beware some of the new names may have been hand picked by the "...same old group positioning again" as you so eloquently posted.
Joey said... "All answers you first asked are in the Meeting Minutes and my understanding is that there is no active pursuit at replacements of Aramark, auditors, or our lawyer."
RE: " those who are to blame here are the people who have decided to ignore the Declaration and hire outside people to rent and take care of their rental property, not the person they hired. Throw your criticism first at them, then at Aramark, or is this just a personal thing for you. Speaking of such, I for one personally don’t like this person you’re trying to demonize here, but I must say IMO that there is no person who has done more for this community than him. So give it a rest." IT IS NOT A MATTER OF LIKING OR DISLIKING A PERSON BUT THAT OF STATING THE TRUTH AND PERHAPS NOT LIKING HOW A PERSON CONDUCTS THEIR LIFE AND ABUSES OTHERS IN THE PROCESS. The writer never tried to demonize this person YOU DO NOT LIKE, they stated the facts, if someone hadn't raided the rental pool and sought others to rent through them instead of the HOA(read ALL owners) and installed themselves on the BOD to do that, then LIV HOA wouldn't be financially strapped. Have you ever read the handbook for realtors, I have and had a license so I know that you are encouraged to "work" the community, get your name out everywhere, serve on every committee you can, socialize, make yourself look like a huge community supporter. It's realtor 101 so please don't insult all of LIV with this thinly veiled disguised of the facts and trying to demonize (to use your words) others for pointing out the truth.
Joe, I have been reading your blog for years, I read and watched you as a maverick. Being a hero to the people. Delivering the news from your honest heart has always been your goal. No matter where your head was at the time you started this BLOG . Joe you haven't wavered to far left or right. Thank you! I could always count on you. Now the situation has changed. I must say every time you ran I have voted for you. The first time you ran I watched our neighbors ridicule you while you sat quietly on the side lines. Just as I watched our friends and neighbors tar and feather Cowen out of town. I was truly was embarrassed. Sooner or later we all get our just rewards. You my friend might serve us all behind the lines, reporting the truth; Keeping a life line, up to date news.
Right now Joey, you are independent of 8 other want to be savors.
I always worried the people who ran for the board would change. Annita White managed to come out unscathed. People like, Bill Sullivan ( not to be confused with (David Sullivan) true Bill walked out as a few others did. I understand. I do not judge them. I secretly wished a few more would leave. To say these people who left. I'm sure their thoughts and plans where for the people and the well being of our park.
Joe please don't think you can do job all alone. This BLOG you can! Best of the best! Whowillreportuptodatenewsifyouleave?
RE:" Hope owners are watching how those who would be Directors go about their lives here, conduct themselves at meetings and how they spend their free time...and with whom."
Can we quit this crap! It is time to stop this quibbling and address the more important issues. The rental issue is small potatoes compared to all that now confronts Long Island Village. Take care of these big problems and the rest will take care of itself. It is time to right all wrongs.
RE: Can we quit this crap! It is time to stop this quibbling and address the more important issues. The rental issue is small potatoes compared to all that now confronts Long Island Village. Take care of these big problems and the rest will take care of itself. It is time to right all wrongs.
I am sure you would love to sweep all truth under the carpet, how do you propose owners should be compensated for all the lost $ from the rentals? Do the math, it is HUGE! Loss of income to HOA is one of our biggest problems, it keeps us from making critical infrastructure repairs and drives all our other issues. Please tell us what is a "bigger problem".
To "Can we quit this crap!" Perhaps you see people's posts as "crap" (your word),but this is a blog, a place for people to share ideas and if you don't like it don't participate. Exert your free will but don't think your crass words can stop others from voicing their concerns, what makes you the authority on what is "important", sounds like the attitude of the power brokers and bullies, we are sick of your tactics!
When the rental office can prove to me that they take care of my property, become trustworthy, and don't try to be so rigid and control me and my property and pay what they owe me and not take money under the table I will consider using them. This is my home and I will rent my property when I see fit and to whom I wish to have in my house. Since when do you think you can control what I own. I just saw a rental they had ( my friend rented it) and it was a mess. Even the stove had two burners burnt out. I will continue to rent myself. When LIV wants to start paying my association dues They can dictate what I do. It is time for all the knit picking to be over and get to the real matter at hand. Aramark needs to go and we need to start spending our money in a conservative way and then we will all be happy.
RE: "When the rental office can prove to me that they take care of my property, become trustworthy, and don't try to be so rigid and control me and my property " No one says YOU can't rent YOUR property, what you agreed NOT to do when you bought here is to use a third party to rent it for YOU. It was and IS the EXCLUSIVE right of the LIV HOA to rent it for you and frankly should handle ALL rentals since owners own only a fraction of the amenities yet reap the $ from the renter they don't share with all the rest of the owners whose amenities your renters use. IF you don't want to do it yourself, this provides a much needed stream of $ to the HOA to help with cost to ALL OWNERS, yourself included. There are legal ways to change our covenants and bylaws but not by just ignoring them. Plain and simple, it is WRONG. Why should the HOA (US) shoulder the cost of checking in and policing the people who rent through third party companies, pay for all amenities ,maintenance of the facility and get NO $ from it, thankfully the BOD has begun charging a fee for this service but for a very long time we didn't. Please understand, fixing the rental office is the only legal solution currently available to us and should have been done ages ago, I get that, so use your energy to influence the BOD to make it happen. We should be competitive and competent, why not offer your expertise to do so. I agree we should look at other options for managing the village and have long supported this and served for over a year on the management committee that was working toward that end until the BOD dissolved the committee. There are many theories as to why it was dissolved but it appears this was the only way to get rid of someone who had recently joined the committee and made a power move with another member to take it over. This self serving is very sad as it threw the baby out with the bath water, several on the committee worked very hard and were just getting to the options for the new management piece of their LIV BOD set agenda when this happened. Owners should be limited as to how many committees they serve on and not try to take over every aspect of the village, this has been mentioned numerous times here and everywhere in the village but it continues to go on. I agree we need to get to the "matter at hand" as you say but it does require voters to understand the underpinnings of our problems. Voters need to vote in directors who can agree to disagree and stop acting like children, throwing tantrums and stomping off the playground when they don't get their way. It does not instill confidence when these same petulant people find out others see their behavior as repugnant instead of what they though would be seen as powerful and apologize for being "out of control with anger". Please folk, get control and do what you pledge at the beginning of each BOD meeting..."and justice for ALL"!
Re:I am sure you would love to sweep all truth under the carpet, how do you propose owners should be compensated for all the lost $ from the rentals? Do the math, it is HUGE! Loss of income to HOA is one of our biggest problems, it keeps us from making critical infrastructure repairs and drives all our other issues. Please tell us what is a "bigger problem". Really? No one is sweeping all truth here but perhaps you. Recheck your math. Although HOA income loss is a huge problem, the loss income from the rental dept. does not drive all issues. Golf course and restaurant losses far exceeds rentals, so where’s your gripe about them? The rental income losses alone have not kept us from making infrastructure repairs, but I will say these losses should never be subsidized by non-renting owners. So once again, let me explain it in a way so even you will understand. First, it is the renting owners at fault here, get it, not the people they hire to handle their rentals. You asked me what I propose as compensation? Charge each renting owner $50 more in condo fees if they don’t go through our rental department. Do that math and see if that works. Are we done here?
Time to VOTE! What an exciting time for owners to wipe the slate clean and get some good people to serve. I hope everyone will do their OWN due diligence and seek out many opinions of candidates, ask the tough questions at the forum and VOTE!
RE:to RE "Can we quit this crap!" Perhaps you see people's posts as "crap"
“Blog, a place for people to share ideas, and you don’t like it don’t participate” your words. Well I shared my ideas as crass as they may be and what makes you the authority of a person’s “attitude”, your word? Sounds like you in a need of a hug and yes, I am a hugging authoritarian.
Vote all NEW (No ex-Directors Nor *close friends... so predictable ) Total Open Books Transparency (Copies of every single checks issued available to ALL owners) No personal agendas nor business dealings in the park from Directors (nor wives) No more contracting of friends without proper competitive OPEN bidding... *No special groups Independent Audit to see what happened to 35 Million dollars or so? (condo fees) BOD take control of the newsletter.
*New Lady running for Director stop leaving your Trucks, sports cars, boat trailers, cargo trailers in the middle of the main parking lot every single night ... you own 2 properties use them your parking space like everybody else, follow the rules be an example. Thank You. On a sign (main drag):Cowen settlement settled? pleeeease... Cowen settlement reached.
"You asked me what I propose as compensation? Charge each renting owner $50 more in condo fees if they don’t go through our rental department. Do that math and see if that works. " TOTAL AGREEMENT HERE BUT DID YOU SEE WHO VIOLENTLY OPPOSED CHARGING ANYTHING TO HELP DEFRAY THE COST AND HAD THE FEE DECREASED! YOUR IDEA IS SOOOO MUCH BETTER! BREAK THE LAW, GET A FINE!
"Although HOA income loss is a huge problem, the loss income from the rental dept. does not drive all issues. Golf course and restaurant losses far exceeds rentals, so where’s your gripe about them? "
RIGHT HERE FRIEND, TOTAL AGREEMENT AGAIN! I so want to hug you! :)! You mentioned the golf course, how do you feel about paying for it every month and not being able to walk on it? Would it be so terrible if it was a 9 hole course with the other half a walking/biking green space? NOT MY IDEA BUT A GOOD ONE (imo) AND ONE THAT I HAVE HEARD MUCH SUPPORT FOR, I BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE DID WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT THAT OWNERS COULD WALK ON THE COURSE AT CERTAIN TIMES BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT INFO SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY IN WRITING. IF THIS IS SO THE "DO NOT WALK ON COURSE" SIGN NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WITH "WALK AT YOUR OWN RISK" SIGNS. THEN YOU CAN ADDRESS THE "NO DOGS ON COURSE "SIGN THAT SEEMS TO BE REGULARILY VIOLATED. GOOD LUCK!
"Are we done here?" I sure hope not, it is by this kind of discourse that we bring to light issues that need addressing.
*New Lady running for Director stop leaving your Trucks, sports cars, boat trailers, cargo trailers in the middle of the main parking lot every single night ... you own 2 properties use them your parking space like everybody else, follow the rules be an example."
Please tell me you are kidding! I wish I knew who you were referring to because she wouldn't get my vote, sounds like more of the "we're so special" group, I will be keeping my eyes open, thanks for the heads up. This is the kind of info we need to make intelligent choices.
Below you will find the notice sent out by the election committee. Please explain how someone can be "approved" by this committee when they are in violation of the covenants and bylaws? Please...someone???
You are one of the eleven candidates approved for the March 5, 2016 Election. At this time there are six vacancies to be filled. The Election Committee chose to do a Lottery selection of the candidates names so the ballot will not show any preferential line-up. Aurora Martinez, LIV Office Manager did the selection. We will hand out owners packets at the Welcome Center on Feb 6, noon-3 and Feb 7, 9-noon. Any packets not picked-up at that time will be mailed by Feb 9. Your resume will be included in that packet. It is up to you to promote your candidacy. On February 21st we are hosting a Meet Your Candidates Forum". It will be held from Noon to 2 pm in the Rec Hall. At the Forum you will give a 1-2 minute introduction and then the audience will have the opportunity to meet you at your "table". This would be a good time for any new promotion material you wish to hand out. If you will not be able to attend the Forum please let me know. If you have any questions please contact me: Kay Sullivan 847-727-9600 or ksullygram@gmail.com Thank you so much for your participation in this process, Kay Sullivan
The released notice below states that the committee approved the candidates, please tell me how a candidate who is in violation of the covenants and/or bylaws can be approved? What are the criteria for approval?
You are one of the eleven candidates approved for the March 5, 2016 Election. At this time there are six vacancies to be filled. The Election Committee chose to do a Lottery selection of the candidates names so the ballot will not show any preferential line-up. Aurora Martinez, LIV Office Manager did the selection. We will hand out owners packets at the Welcome Center on Feb 6, noon-3 and Feb 7, 9-noon. Any packets not picked-up at that time will be mailed by Feb 9. Your resume will be included in that packet. It is up to you to promote your candidacy. On February 21st we are hosting a Meet Your Candidates Forum". It will be held from Noon to 2 pm in the Rec Hall. At the Forum you will give a 1-2 minute introduction and then the audience will have the opportunity to meet you at your "table". This would be a good time for any new promotion material you wish to hand out. If you will not be able to attend the Forum please let me know. If you have any questions please contact me: Kay Sullivan 847-727-9600 or ksullygram@gmail.com Thank you so much for your participation in this process, Kay Sullivan
Joe please correct or amend the following info as you have a recording from the last BOD meeting: Director McBride indicated, I believe, that he was being assisted in the elections by the committee members: Jenny McBride Flora Gunderson Vida Sherry Kay Sullivan Who else? Thanking you in advance Joe for your help.
The qualifications for running for the board include lot ownership and current payment of condo fees. The committee checks for those two in order to place a name on the ballot
I must address something. Several comments have not been posted because they appear to push the simple policy of this blog. Again, here is what I posted on the old blog that remains policy. This blog more than ever will try to further the transparency of all issues and reveal any half truths. If you are a concerned owner, either past or present, feel free to comment. If you disagree on an issue, that’s OK, you have the right to voice your opinion. Comments containing vulgar language, racism, invalid promotions, or something that appears to be nothing more than a personal vendetta will not be posted. Please refrain from trivial back and forth bickering, for it serves no one.
I must say Joey, your post as to the "simple policy" of the blog does not appear so simple. Somehow YOU must decide what issues meet the standard of "transparency...vulgar language, racism, invalid promotions, or something that appears to be nothing more than a personal vendetta." WOW, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Hope you don't see this as "trivial back and forth". Good luck!
Thanks Philip, may I ask how you know the info you wrote? Also, are you in a position to comment on the election committee members post? Are the names of the members correct? please see below:
Jenny McBride Flora Gunderson Vida Sherry Kay Sullivan
It is my understanding that both McBride's have been "officially" removed from participation in the election process due to Ed choosing to run AGAIN. They still have close ties to several on the committee so not sure how "removed" they really are.
Look close at the eleven applicants, and trace their association and ties to present or past BOD members. We need a completely new fresh BOD to tackle our many issues; persons with no conflicts of interest or personal vendettas. Particularly concerned with those who see this as a position of POWER. A husband and wife BOD team should not have their fingers in so many different aspects of our Village. Some of this has been watered down with the wife's removal from at least two of the committees she served on, but probably more should be done.
Just choose wisely when you vote. Ask what each one can do for US and the Village, not for themselves.
Thanks, Joey, for throwing your hat in the ring one more time. You still have my vote.
Well IF the mcbrides have " been "officially" removed from participation in the election process due to Ed choosing to run AGAIN", WHY WOULD KAY Sullivan, SISTER IN LAW TO CANDIDATE DAVID SULLIVAN, STILL BE HEADING THE COMMITTEE? AND CANDIDATE FLORA GUNDERSON, WHY IS SHE ON THE COMMITTEE AS SHE HERSELF IS RUNNING?! NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE,IMO. PLEASE NEIGHBORS, WEIGH IN, ARE WE ALONE ON THIS?
You talk a good game, express interesting opinions, seem concerned about our paradise but I DO NOT see your name on the candidates list, nor do I see your name on ANY committee. SOOOO get off your dead and DO SOMETHING Oh and put your name on your posts so we can campaign for you !!
Kaye Sullivan is in charge of the election. She has assembled the committee. Many people are involved, none of which are running for office this term. Vita Sherry and I have been designated as spokespersons as Kaye will be unavailable on election day. Kaye and Mare Kobe who is on the committee will be handing out election packets at the Welcome Center this Saturday and Sunday. Hopefully many owners will pick up their packet and save the Village postage.
Good Morning, exciting times for LIV... Joey 1)Joey is there a place where we can see all the existing committees and the people that chair them or are members of each one?
2) Also is there a place where we can read the rules and regulations the candidates need to follow when campaigning? some are getting quite aggressive...some are even doing it during "Paid By" LIV events (The same Events these candidates throw their friends at our cost.., BBQ, Dances, etc )
3)Can anybody play Golf late in the evening without paying the fees? Monday a lady candidate and husband were seeing doing it...No name were used if the coat fits you...wear it!
Information on members for each committee I can’t tell you. What I can tell you is Article IV (DIRECTORS) of the Bylaws Section 10 (Powers and Duties) says, “(f) To designate one or more committees, which, to the extent provided in the resolution designating such committee, shall have the powers of the Board of Directors in the management of the business and affairs of the Corporation. Such committee shall consist of at least three (3) members of the Corporation, one of whom shall be a Director. The committee or committees shall have such name(s) as may be determined to be needed and one member of the committee shall keep regular minutes of their proceedings and report the same to the Board of Directors as required.” With it being a Bylaw, you might ask to see each Committee's Minutes. On the second question just think “South Carolina”. Third question, late players use to be the honor system where fees were put in an outside box.
#2 LIV DOES NOT PAY FOR dances, bbq's , etc. absolutely no money comes out of your pocket unless you attend !
#3 obviously you are not a golfer. people buy memberships allowing them to play at any time other than when there is a scheduled event like this Saturday when we will be doing our annual cancer rally which has over 140 participants signed up. last year we donated nearly $12,000 to research. after hours golfers without a membership are asked to put $ in the box provided on the honor system.
Thanks Joey: Not sure why all these committees' business is kept in the dark but I have a pretty good idea... For any NEW candidate reading this please be aware that owners have asked for transparency and open books for many many years...
A good questions to ask re-runners is this: Could you please tell us for how many terms have you previously served as a Director? aside not winning a re-election, if you quitted or were removed what are the specific reason(s) that led to you quitting or most importantly your removal.
To the person who posted “Please post our reply to Bud ;EDIT as you deem necessary.” I have thought long about this and the only really good answer is that I will not post just the parts of a comment I feel qualifies. Please try to stay well within what is acceptable instead of trying to test the boundaries. I do though appreciate your spunk.
Bud, whether or not they post their name, the criteria stays the same. I hate that I have the final say on if something gets posted but it seems necessary for various reasons. I believe opinions are one thing and attacking someone in particular over their opinion is another.
Yo Joe, I think we are all big kids and can handle some disagreement, we have been well schooled during this election process and you shouldn't fret too much about people expressing their freedom of speech rights. People need to know about folk who are wanting the keys to our community and if they care what people are saying they can defend their record right here. Transparency Rules!
Look guys, I don’t fret about people expressing their freedom of speech. In fact promote it. Transparency? Just look at my articles. I must say I do fret when people mix their free speech with direct attacks on someone who may or may not be doing something illegal. That my friend is not a justified opinion that should be recognized. I ask what if an unidentified person expressed your name and said they heard that you beat your wife. Would you enjoy that kind of free speech or would you seek an attorney. As you said, we are all big kids here and we big kids should know the difference between someone disagreeing or launching a blatant attack. Come on, this is pretty simple so let’s keep it that way.
Joe, do you know of any LIV rule that would prevent the BOD from establishing a one day a month yard sale day? Like every first Saturday of the month residents could place items in their front "yard" for sale. It might be a nice social opportunity to meet neighbors as well as helping many downsize more easily. Thanking you in advance for your comments.
Your blog, your censorship and we appreciate your attempt to let us know you are DELIBERATELY NOT posting all comments you receive. This serves as a notice to all who attempt to learn vital info about their community that the tone of the blog has been "washed" and also that their comment did not just get lost in cyberspace but was intentionally omitted. Ah the TIES that bind!
Good Morning, we are becoming a shanty town faster than you can say "LIV Trailer Park" streeets are destroyed Aramark cold patches are going to last but a few rain showers... worst yet there is "for sale" signs all over the park.. homes offered for sale, for rent, cars, trucks, boats, golf carts, etc etc... We even saw a garage sale 2 weekends ago that lasted 4 days... the UN_Security company looking the other way... The rules and regulations are for EVERYBODY not just a few...
Attn: Swimming Pool(s) Committee and Excersise groups: The Swimming bracelet rule are for EVERYBODY and not only for a FEW unlucky people ... Be a good EXAMPLE!!! (Some of you are even running for BOD...again) either that or remove the bracelet rule. Thanks Joe!
Will the election procedure and counting be NOTARIZED?
Please don't let the 2 couples (and friends) that are currently running and basically controlling the Park get their hands in the process after all 2 of them are running for Directors (Again and Again and Again)...
Nothing is notarized - judges check the ID's on mailed in ballots, but the judges are members of our community chosen by the election committee. I feel this process has been handled very well in past years. What I have concern about this year is people voting via email to a committee member's personal email address plus having a "drop box" at the Welcome Center and using LIV employees to certify ID's, ownership, etc.
I am certain that if some of the procedures being used by the current election committee were challenged, they would be deemed illegal. Another area: mailing the ballots as BULK mail does save considerable expense, but feel certain this type of mailing should be first class mail with forwarding procedures.
As a member of the Election Committee, I agree with "Anonymous" that our election packet should be mailed first class with forwarding procedures. That is, however, the only issue that "Anonymous" has raised that I agree with. The email voting procedure has been a great boon to us as far as reaching a quorum, and we must trust that the people serving on the Election committee are people of integrity and have the best interests of the park at heart. There are so many fail-safes in place on the computer recording of votes that it is impossible for anyone to "rig" the election. Unless you have served on the election Committee in the past 5 years you have no idea how stream-lined the process has become.
What is this rumor I'm hearing about a pass to let non owners into the park to roam around and use our facilities without any supervision? I bought in here because this was a gated community! Our security is not the best but it is better than nothing I guess. Are the security people going to supervise these people? I don't want non owners roaming around in our village! Owners should be upset with our board for even suggesting this! Why isn't this public knowledge in our village? I do believe that they don't want this to be public! Marshall Hoverson Lot 135
I think what you are hearing about is the discussion of access to the park for guests of owners. We have gained a horrid reputation over the years and it is starting to effect sales and property values. To be blunt we need to get out of the insurance police businesss, due to the fact that even if you check a proof of insurance there is no way for us to know if its valid not. Its a useless process that is doing nothing for us but upping our liability and giving us bad reputation. Rule one in risk management, is never make a rule that you cant or wont enforce because you gain nothing but more liability
Rule one in risk management, is never make a rule that you cant or wont enforce because you gain nothing but more liability? Who was talking about insurance? What a dodge. That's not what the problem is about this policy. This policy lets non-owners a month's worth of access to our amenities with no oversight or added revenues. And then you want to talk about risk management, this absolutely reverses what we consider a gated community into a drive-thru one. With this why do we need to waste paying $200,000 a year for Security? Amazing, whoever thinks this will help the Park doesn't have a clue.
I am happy that the board it considering making it easier to have visitors. I am sick and tired of the red tape guest have to go to just to visit. It is easier to visit a prisoner. My friends don't want to visit because of this. I should be able to call the guard shack and let my visitors in. They can after 5 but not during the day. Makes no sense.
I guess I have a problem with our image of treating everyone like a criminal or an ATM machine and its starting to wear on me and our property values. We need to take a good look at our rules and make this a more attractive place to live and still function as a gated community.
Since our board decided we will just let any one come through our gate and enter our community, the number of thefts has increased, vandalism has increased, sexual assault in the bathrooms has happened. We had some control over who came in when you had to be invited by an owner. I'm all for becoming a gated community and you can't come in unless you are invited by an owner!
It was hardly a secret. In fact at the meetings it has been freely expressed. It began with a noticeable spiked in the water bill that the Park apparently had an undetectable large water leak somewhere. Being the second time this has happened, the Board reached out to owners to report what they might suspect are leaks and had management systematically check for this large leak. They found the large leak and many smaller ones. They have been very busy fixing them.
It was no secret this Board was having issues with the performance of Management and we may have given Management too many opportunities to correct their performance. But with that said, Mr. Wooten quit Aramark, not us. So it seems he had his problem with Aramark, not us. To the naysayer calling this Board dysfunctional. You have the right to think and the right to your opinion, and you might just be right that this Board is not operating in the usual way as previous Boards, but that doesn’t mean they are operating improperly.
I feel we will have problems with management until we get rid of Aramark. It is time to step up and make a move. We really don't need Aramark. And I am not blaming this BOD.
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To Outhouse man,
Just to let you know you posted your comment on a 4 year old post and I feel it is somewhat my fault for not having suggestions or comments at the top of the blog as was done in the past. So you may want to post your comment again. Sorry,
Joe
Thanks Joey, Where exactly do I go to post an up to date comment?
Each article posted has a comment section. If it's general, I normally have a comment/suggestion post like this one.
Joe is there any way you can keep an ongoing general comment section in ONE place and just let it run?
I had originally did such but some complained over the volume. Since I'm only able to post the newest comment under the previous comment, I decided to post a new comment Box when the old one was over 25 comments. Either way is not a problem. Just let me know in the poll on the left what you prefer.
Look at you asking the people what they think before making a decision! WHY CAN'T OUR BOD DO THE SAME THING?????
Joe, is there a way to remove the two current directors so that we could elect an entirely new board? Do we need to wait until after the election and ask for their removal? How do we get around the fact that one of those bozos will have to be the board president?
One can use the Bylaw Article IV Section 2, Removal of Directors, but it takes 513 owner votes. How wise would that be to do that? With the two current directors we do know where they stand on important issues and if one is President he never votes unless to make or break ties. To me that could be a plus depending on who is President. On the other hand voting for new directors here reminds me of Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates, you never know what you get.
Joe wrote, "On the other hand voting for new directors here reminds me of Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates, you never know what you get." So true Joe and so many of us have been duped. Problems also lurk in the BOD being able to appoint directors without owner's input or vote. Let's face it, we are in a BIG mess unless good people with sound independent minds decide they have had enough and care about the community enough to step up and get involved. A small band of decent people work to keep this a great place to be but look out if they fall in the cross hairs of the self serving, power hungry, money grubbing group who spend their days deep in their cups and/or plotting. Is this the way to spend our golden years?!
Hope owners are watching how those who would be Directors go about their lives here, conduct themselves at meetings and how they spend their free time...and with whom. Don't be duped by high recognition names when you don't know the person. Look to some of our long term, low profile, involved owners who make their quiet contributions to the village, for their opinion of candidates. We are at a critical time in our evolution and all have seen the problems a director can cause when the common good gets turned to special interests. We would not be facing these financial problems if directors would put aside their own needs for social affiliations and invites to parties and as one director lamented, "loss of party table sign up people because he voted honestly and not how they wanted". Seriously neighbors, at our age! This is adolescent needs speaking not those of seasoned adults who know most true friendships endure differences of opinions when expressed respectably and anyone who would "drop" you because you expressed an honest opinion wasn't your friend anyway. Relationships here come and go for many reasons and choosing a director should not be done for social needs. It's just too important, this is not a summer camp, fishing camp, golf club...it is the permanent home for many seniors, a future retirement home for some and a substantial investment for others. Get serious, get involved and be an informed voter! PLEASE! Remember it's a secret ballot.
on re: to the Security Camera Installation and work thru LIV...
I don't remember reading anywhere on this respect...
How was the contractor chosen? (SOS SPI)
Where there several competitive bids placed?
or is this again the case of hiring an amigo to $omeone from the BOD or certain Aramark employee...?
(just as it was done during Parking lot fiasco part 1 & 2, and Activities roof repair... amazingly still leaks every time it rains...
Additionally last year before we left we were told Aramark was given funds to fix the gym floor and update the room ($5,000 or so)... and to our surprise why was nothing ever done? and what happened to the already allocated funds?
is there a particular reason the empty restaurant is open?
I suggest leftovers be donated to the food pantry surely there most be plenty of them...
We are also owners that think an Independent Audit (not using the current auditor) this is long over due...
Would love to know were almost 4 Million dollars go year after year...
Appreciate this website and the effort Joe puts in it and the different comments and commentators...
signed: The Silver Anons.
?-Who is responsible for monitoring the size of boats coming into LIV? How does a boat too large for it's dock get to dock here? How does a boat requiring too great a draft get to be in our water ways?
?If as many report, our covenants do not require a certain depth in our waterways, why are we held responsible for a boat having difficulty navigating our waterways?
?Since we are much like the rest of the Laguna Madre, with shallows that must be navigated and are the responsibility of the captain, why are we held responsible for the captain's error in LIV?
Is everyone aware we bought new tables for the restaurant? A director was asked why and he said "it was in the budget". Why? They were not needed and we certainly have more pressing need of the money. Where are the old tables? Sold? Given away? All the decor and curtains disappeared after it was closed for a year. Who's in charge?
Is it true the dredging company pulled out?
Fiduciary-involving trust, a TRUSTee. So how does the BOD sec. take a roll call vote on HIS motion to fill BOD vacancies with HIS nominees, record 3 against and 2 for(one being his) and announce the motion passed!!!!! Shame on him! Thanks to other Directors for correcting the blatant disregard for honesty among their APPOINTED co-members. And the fun doesn't stop...outraged #1 covenant breaker now wants the bylaws upheld to fill the BOD vacancies-in a Village of NO transparency this hypocrisy is very transparent.
Exactly.
Additionally The blocking of third party rentals (totally unconstitutional IMO as people can do whatever they want with their properties) this is nothing but a personal vendetta against his formal *partner(after the pool rental was raided...) even worse this same Director is "maintaining" (really more like renting)his so called friends properties... hypocrisy at it's best.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is another lawsuit in this regards)
On regards to the dredging news people are so clueless they think the dredging will not longer be done... and no more assessment will be needed...
what I smell is another lawsuit (Contractor) against LIV, I hope I am so wrong but this is South Texas...
In another note none are talking about the other canal lawsuit: Perez vs LIV ? why?
Interesting. Talk about hypocrisy, how can anyone take a person serious who doesn’t have a clue about Condominium Associations. Google the downside of being in one and the first thing you’re told is to forget about some of your constitutional rights. So the IMO (In my opinion) seems more like IAU (I am uninformed).
Again, those who are to blame here are the people who have decided to ignore the Declaration and hire outside people to rent and take care of their rental property, not the person they hired. Throw your criticism first at them, then at Aramark, or is this just a personal thing for you.
Speaking of such, I for one personally don’t like this person you’re trying to demonize here, but I must say IMO that there is no person who has done more for this community than him. So give it a rest.
PS. Calling Villagers clueless will not help your point here. Most know damn well a dredging assessment is forth coming. They as I do just want it to solve our canal problems and be as inexpensive as possible.
Joe, can you or anyone of the Board of Directors tell me why it is allowed for a person in the audience to text a board member during the meeting. I am under the understanding that questions and comments are to be made at the Coffee with the Directors. The Board Meeting is for the Board to discuss and make decisions. I have been at the last 2 Board meetings and watched texting going on. And then when the recipient does not notice, the textor is holding up their phone and waving to get their attention. I am thinking that the Board should turn their phones off during the meetings. Texting is an intrusion. Also, how childish for the same couple to stand at each meeting and berate the board and also members for the way things are or are not handled. How childish to make up placards to wave around during a meeting. What is wrong with all of you. Isn't it time to GROW UP!!
Once again, thank you Joe for making this blog possible for all of us. I sure am waiting to see if you will be one of the candidates. LIV needs you.
Joe,
Is there a place or a way to find out all the people that have served as Director's in the last 10 years? (whether they served more than once and how did they voted on crucial decisions)
Beware of the wolf(ves) on sheep clothes (suddenly acting nice and wooing the right people) already lobbying (candidates) to keep their control and the power as they have done for many years not to mention holding 'against the rules' private meetings at a certain's ex-director Sea Cottage (She still meddling on affairs that she shouldn't...)
To the owner that suggested No more Director's wives (control freaks)serving on any kind of committee or board... Bravo!
Run Joe Run! :)
Is the board already looking on other companies to replace Aramark? the Current Auditor, and the Current Lawyers?... is about time
All answers you first asked are in the Meeting Minutes and my understanding is that there is no active pursuit at replacements of Aramark, auditors, or our lawyer.
re: ANON 1-29-16 at9:22 pm
astute observation, do you know the person that is texting the board ? I don't see that cause I sit close to the front not in the back. By the way there is a rumor going around you are selling and movin on, any truth to that ??
Disregard recent submission re rumor of drawing names, LIV Newsflash just clarified, no need to publish, Q answered
on re: to the candidates
Back to the Future!
re-runs...are you serious?...same old group positioning again
No shame!
There are comments posted here from time to time asking posters if their comments are personal, "Again, those who are to blame here are the people who have decided to ignore the Declaration and hire outside people to rent and take care of their rental property, not the person they hired. Throw your criticism first at them, then at Aramark, or is this just a personal thing for you. " I imagine it is "a personal thing" to everyone who abides by the rules and does not like having $ that is LEGALLY suppose to be going to the HOA funds and NOT individuals esp. when the HOA is needing to assess owners due to lack of income (has it been 3 assessments this past year?, not sure). The attempt to connect dots to comments to try to deflect and demonize others is just more of the spin some like to use to make every "spot on" observation look like it is coming from one or two people and part of some personal vendetta.
It is clear that many are fed up and moving on and the comment " By the way there is a rumor going around you are selling and movin on, any truth to that ??" can be said to many. If that person is still here they have the right to voice their opinion just as many who don't live in Flint have done about the water there. Ask some of the realtors how many NEW listings they have recently, I heard one saying they have never had so many in such a short period of time.
So we know that you are upset by the comments someone made about the texting during BOD meetings, I saw it also and wondered about the use of phones during meetings, a BOD member uses one during meetings also, I think people are googling info to support the back and forth debate on issues and don't know how I feel about it or if it is legal, ethical, or just a sign of the times. But I respect the right of the individual to express their opinions and report factual events they see and ask for clarification on events. IMO Nice spin try! Face the fact that MANY of the "silent majority" see the abuses and know who is responsible.
To Back to the future...beware some of the new names may have been hand picked by the "...same old group positioning again" as you so eloquently posted.
Joey said...
"All answers you first asked are in the Meeting Minutes and my understanding is that there is no active pursuit at replacements of Aramark, auditors, or our lawyer."
Thanks for the answer.
RE: " those who are to blame here are the people who have decided to ignore the Declaration and hire outside people to rent and take care of their rental property, not the person they hired. Throw your criticism first at them, then at Aramark, or is this just a personal thing for you. Speaking of such, I for one personally don’t like this person you’re trying to demonize here, but I must say IMO that there is no person who has done more for this community than him. So give it a rest."
IT IS NOT A MATTER OF LIKING OR DISLIKING A PERSON BUT THAT OF STATING THE TRUTH AND PERHAPS NOT LIKING HOW A PERSON CONDUCTS THEIR LIFE AND ABUSES OTHERS IN THE PROCESS. The writer never tried to demonize this person YOU DO NOT LIKE, they stated the facts, if someone hadn't raided the rental pool and sought others to rent through them instead of the HOA(read ALL owners) and installed themselves on the BOD to do that, then LIV HOA wouldn't be financially strapped. Have you ever read the handbook for realtors, I have and had a license so I know that you are encouraged to "work" the community, get your name out everywhere, serve on every committee you can, socialize, make yourself look like a huge community supporter. It's realtor 101 so please don't insult all of LIV with this thinly veiled disguised of the facts and trying to demonize (to use your words) others for pointing out the truth.
Joe,
I have been reading your blog for years, I read and watched you as a maverick. Being a hero to the people. Delivering the news from your honest heart has always been your goal. No matter where your head was at the time you started this BLOG . Joe you haven't wavered to far left or right. Thank you!
I could always count on you.
Now the situation has changed. I must say every time you ran I have voted for you. The first time you ran I watched our neighbors ridicule you while you sat quietly on the side lines. Just as I watched our friends and neighbors tar and feather Cowen out of town. I was truly was embarrassed. Sooner or later we all get our just rewards.
You my friend might serve us all behind the lines, reporting the truth; Keeping a life line, up to date news.
Right now Joey, you are independent of 8 other want to be savors.
I always worried the people who ran for the board would change. Annita White managed to come out unscathed. People like, Bill Sullivan ( not to be confused with (David Sullivan) true Bill walked out as a few others did. I understand. I do not judge them. I secretly wished a few more would leave. To say these people who left. I'm sure their thoughts and plans where for the people and the well being of our park.
Joe please don't think you can do job all alone. This BLOG you can!
Best of the best!
Whowillreportuptodatenewsifyouleave?
re: "To the owner that suggested No more Director's wives (control freaks)serving on any kind of committee or board... Bravo!"
DITTO! CAN YOU SAY CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR IN THE INTEREST OF SPECIAL INTERESTS.
RE:" Hope owners are watching how those who would be Directors go about their lives here, conduct themselves at meetings and how they spend their free time...and with whom."
Bravo!!!!
Can we quit this crap! It is time to stop this quibbling and address the more important issues. The rental issue is small potatoes compared to all that now confronts Long Island Village. Take care of these big problems and the rest will take care of itself. It is time to right all wrongs.
RE: Can we quit this crap! It is time to stop this quibbling and address the more important issues. The rental issue is small potatoes compared to all that now confronts Long Island Village. Take care of these big problems and the rest will take care of itself. It is time to right all wrongs.
I am sure you would love to sweep all truth under the carpet, how do you propose owners should be compensated for all the lost $ from the rentals? Do the math, it is HUGE! Loss of income to HOA is one of our biggest problems, it keeps us from making critical infrastructure repairs and drives all our other issues. Please tell us what is a "bigger problem".
To "Can we quit this crap!" Perhaps you see people's posts as "crap" (your word),but this is a blog, a place for people to share ideas and if you don't like it don't participate. Exert your free will but don't think your crass words can stop others from voicing their concerns, what makes you the authority on what is "important", sounds like the attitude of the power brokers and bullies, we are sick of your tactics!
When the rental office can prove to me that they take care of my property, become trustworthy, and don't try to be so rigid and control me and my property and pay what they owe me and not take money under the table I will consider using them. This is my home and I will rent my property when I see fit and to whom I wish to have in my house. Since when do you think you can control what I own. I just saw a rental they had ( my friend rented it) and it was a mess. Even the stove had two burners burnt out. I will continue to rent myself. When LIV wants to start paying my association dues They can dictate what I do. It is time for all the knit picking to be over and get to the real matter at hand. Aramark needs to go and we need to start spending our money in a conservative way and then we will all be happy.
RE: "When the rental office can prove to me that they take care of my property, become trustworthy, and don't try to be so rigid and control me and my property "
No one says YOU can't rent YOUR property, what you agreed NOT to do when you bought here is to use a third party to rent it for YOU. It was and IS the EXCLUSIVE right of the LIV HOA to rent it for you and frankly should handle ALL rentals since owners own only a fraction of the amenities yet reap the $ from the renter they don't share with all the rest of the owners whose amenities your renters use. IF you don't want to do it yourself, this provides a much needed stream of $ to the HOA to help with cost to ALL OWNERS, yourself included. There are legal ways to change our covenants and bylaws but not by just ignoring them. Plain and simple, it is WRONG. Why should the HOA (US) shoulder the cost of checking in and policing the people who rent through third party companies, pay for all amenities ,maintenance of the facility and get NO $ from it, thankfully the BOD has begun charging a fee for this service but for a very long time we didn't. Please understand, fixing the rental office is the only legal solution currently available to us and should have been done ages ago, I get that, so use your energy to influence the BOD to make it happen. We should be competitive and competent, why not offer your expertise to do so. I agree we should look at other options for managing the village and have long supported this and served for over a year on the management committee that was working toward that end until the BOD dissolved the committee. There are many theories as to why it was dissolved but it appears this was the only way to get rid of someone who had recently joined the committee and made a power move with another member to take it over. This self serving is very sad as it threw the baby out with the bath water, several on the committee worked very hard and were just getting to the options for the new management piece of their LIV BOD set agenda when this happened. Owners should be limited as to how many committees they serve on and not try to take over every aspect of the village, this has been mentioned numerous times here and everywhere in the village but it continues to go on. I agree we need to get to the "matter at hand" as you say but it does require voters to understand the underpinnings of our problems. Voters need to vote in directors who can agree to disagree and stop acting like children, throwing tantrums and stomping off the playground when they don't get their way. It does not instill confidence when these same petulant people find out others see their behavior as repugnant instead of what they though would be seen as powerful and apologize for being "out of control with anger". Please folk, get control and do what you pledge at the beginning of each BOD meeting..."and justice for ALL"!
Re:I am sure you would love to sweep all truth under the carpet, how do you propose owners should be compensated for all the lost $ from the rentals? Do the math, it is HUGE! Loss of income to HOA is one of our biggest problems, it keeps us from making critical infrastructure repairs and drives all our other issues. Please tell us what is a "bigger problem".
Really?
No one is sweeping all truth here but perhaps you. Recheck your math. Although HOA income loss is a huge problem, the loss income from the rental dept. does not drive all issues. Golf course and restaurant losses far exceeds rentals, so where’s your gripe about them?
The rental income losses alone have not kept us from making infrastructure repairs, but I will say these losses should never be subsidized by non-renting owners.
So once again, let me explain it in a way so even you will understand.
First, it is the renting owners at fault here, get it, not the people they hire to handle their rentals. You asked me what I propose as compensation? Charge each renting owner $50 more in condo fees if they don’t go through our rental department. Do that math and see if that works.
Are we done here?
Time to VOTE! What an exciting time for owners to wipe the slate clean and get some good people to serve. I hope everyone will do their OWN due diligence and seek out many opinions of candidates, ask the tough questions at the forum and VOTE!
RE:to RE "Can we quit this crap!" Perhaps you see people's posts as "crap"
“Blog, a place for people to share ideas, and you don’t like it don’t participate” your words.
Well I shared my ideas as crass as they may be and what makes you the authority of a person’s “attitude”, your word? Sounds like you in a need of a hug and yes, I am a hugging authoritarian.
Vote all NEW (No ex-Directors Nor *close friends... so predictable )
Total Open Books
Transparency (Copies of every single checks issued available to ALL owners)
No personal agendas nor business dealings in the park from Directors (nor wives)
No more contracting of friends without proper competitive OPEN bidding...
*No special groups
Independent Audit to see what happened to 35 Million dollars or so? (condo fees)
BOD take control of the newsletter.
*New Lady running for Director stop leaving your Trucks, sports cars, boat trailers, cargo trailers in the middle of the main parking lot every single night ... you own 2 properties use them your parking space like everybody else, follow the rules be an example.
Thank You.
On a sign (main drag):Cowen settlement settled? pleeeease...
Cowen settlement reached.
"You asked me what I propose as compensation? Charge each renting owner $50 more in condo fees if they don’t go through our rental department. Do that math and see if that works. "
TOTAL AGREEMENT HERE BUT DID YOU SEE WHO VIOLENTLY OPPOSED CHARGING ANYTHING TO HELP DEFRAY THE COST AND HAD THE FEE DECREASED! YOUR IDEA IS SOOOO MUCH BETTER! BREAK THE LAW, GET A FINE!
"Although HOA income loss is a huge problem, the loss income from the rental dept. does not drive all issues. Golf course and restaurant losses far exceeds rentals, so where’s your gripe about them? "
RIGHT HERE FRIEND, TOTAL AGREEMENT AGAIN! I so want to hug you! :)!
You mentioned the golf course, how do you feel about paying for it every month and not being able to walk on it? Would it be so terrible if it was a 9 hole course with the other half a walking/biking green space? NOT MY IDEA BUT A GOOD ONE (imo) AND ONE THAT I HAVE HEARD MUCH SUPPORT FOR, I BELIEVE SOME PEOPLE DID WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT THAT OWNERS COULD WALK ON THE COURSE AT CERTAIN TIMES BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT INFO SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY IN WRITING. IF THIS IS SO THE "DO NOT WALK ON COURSE" SIGN NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WITH "WALK AT YOUR OWN RISK" SIGNS. THEN YOU CAN ADDRESS THE "NO DOGS ON COURSE "SIGN THAT SEEMS TO BE REGULARILY VIOLATED. GOOD LUCK!
"Are we done here?"
I sure hope not, it is by this kind of discourse that we bring to light issues that need addressing.
*New Lady running for Director stop leaving your Trucks, sports cars, boat trailers, cargo trailers in the middle of the main parking lot every single night ... you own 2 properties use them your parking space like everybody else, follow the rules be an example."
Please tell me you are kidding! I wish I knew who you were referring to because she wouldn't get my vote, sounds like more of the "we're so special" group, I will be keeping my eyes open, thanks for the heads up. This is the kind of info we need to make intelligent choices.
Below you will find the notice sent out by the election committee. Please explain how someone can be "approved" by this committee when they are in violation of the covenants and bylaws? Please...someone???
You are one of the eleven candidates approved for the March 5, 2016 Election. At this time there are six vacancies to be filled.
The Election Committee chose to do a Lottery selection of the candidates names so the ballot will not show any preferential line-up. Aurora Martinez, LIV Office Manager did the selection.
We will hand out owners packets at the Welcome Center on Feb 6, noon-3 and Feb 7, 9-noon. Any packets not picked-up at that time will be mailed by Feb 9. Your resume will be included in that packet.
It is up to you to promote your candidacy.
On February 21st we are hosting a Meet Your Candidates Forum". It will be held from Noon to 2 pm in the Rec Hall.
At the Forum you will give a 1-2 minute introduction and then the audience will have the opportunity to meet you at your "table".
This would be a good time for any new promotion material you wish to hand out. If you will not be able to attend the Forum please let me know.
If you have any questions please contact me: Kay Sullivan 847-727-9600 or ksullygram@gmail.com
Thank you so much for your participation in this process,
Kay Sullivan
The released notice below states that the committee approved the candidates, please tell me how a candidate who is in violation of the covenants and/or bylaws can be approved? What are the criteria for approval?
You are one of the eleven candidates approved for the March 5, 2016 Election. At this time there are six vacancies to be filled.
The Election Committee chose to do a Lottery selection of the candidates names so the ballot will not show any preferential line-up. Aurora Martinez, LIV Office Manager did the selection.
We will hand out owners packets at the Welcome Center on Feb 6, noon-3 and Feb 7, 9-noon. Any packets not picked-up at that time will be mailed by Feb 9. Your resume will be included in that packet.
It is up to you to promote your candidacy.
On February 21st we are hosting a Meet Your Candidates Forum". It will be held from Noon to 2 pm in the Rec Hall.
At the Forum you will give a 1-2 minute introduction and then the audience will have the opportunity to meet you at your "table".
This would be a good time for any new promotion material you wish to hand out. If you will not be able to attend the Forum please let me know.
If you have any questions please contact me: Kay Sullivan 847-727-9600 or ksullygram@gmail.com
Thank you so much for your participation in this process,
Kay Sullivan
Joe please correct or amend the following info as you have a recording from the last BOD meeting:
Director McBride indicated, I believe, that he was being assisted in the elections by the committee members:
Jenny McBride
Flora Gunderson
Vida Sherry
Kay Sullivan
Who else? Thanking you in advance Joe for your help.
The qualifications for running for the board include lot ownership and current payment of condo fees. The committee checks for those two in order to place a name on the ballot
I must address something. Several comments have not been posted because they appear to push the simple policy of this blog.
Again, here is what I posted on the old blog that remains policy.
This blog more than ever will try to further the transparency of all issues and reveal any half truths. If you are a concerned owner, either past or present, feel free to comment.
If you disagree on an issue, that’s OK, you have the right to voice your opinion. Comments containing vulgar language, racism, invalid promotions, or something that appears to be nothing more than a personal vendetta will not be posted. Please refrain from trivial back and forth bickering, for it serves no one.
I must say Joey, your post as to the "simple policy" of the blog does not appear so simple. Somehow YOU must decide what issues meet the standard of "transparency...vulgar language, racism, invalid promotions, or something that appears to be nothing more than a personal vendetta." WOW, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Hope you don't see this as "trivial back and forth". Good luck!
Thanks Philip, may I ask how you know the info you wrote? Also, are you in a position to comment on the election committee members post? Are the names of the members correct? please see below:
Jenny McBride
Flora Gunderson
Vida Sherry
Kay Sullivan
It is my understanding that both McBride's have been "officially" removed from participation in the election process due to Ed choosing to run AGAIN. They still have close ties to several on the committee so not sure how "removed" they really are.
Look close at the eleven applicants, and trace their association and ties to present or past BOD members. We need a completely new fresh BOD to tackle our many issues; persons with no conflicts of interest or personal vendettas. Particularly concerned with those who see this as a position of POWER. A husband and wife BOD team should not have their fingers in so many different aspects of our Village. Some of this has been watered down with the wife's removal from at least two of the committees she served on, but probably more should be done.
Just choose wisely when you vote. Ask what each one can do for US and the Village, not for themselves.
Thanks, Joey, for throwing your hat in the ring one more time. You still have my vote.
Well IF the mcbrides have " been "officially" removed from participation in the election process due to Ed choosing to run AGAIN", WHY WOULD KAY Sullivan, SISTER IN LAW TO CANDIDATE DAVID SULLIVAN, STILL BE HEADING THE COMMITTEE? AND CANDIDATE FLORA GUNDERSON, WHY IS SHE ON THE COMMITTEE AS SHE HERSELF IS RUNNING?! NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE,IMO. PLEASE NEIGHBORS, WEIGH IN, ARE WE ALONE ON THIS?
re: Feb 5/16 10:08 am
You talk a good game, express interesting opinions, seem concerned about our paradise but I DO NOT see your name on the candidates list, nor do I see your name on ANY committee. SOOOO get off your dead and DO SOMETHING Oh and put your name on your posts so we can campaign for you !!
Kaye Sullivan is in charge of the election. She has assembled the committee. Many people are involved, none of which are running for office this term. Vita Sherry and I have been designated as spokespersons as Kaye will be unavailable on election day. Kaye and Mare Kobe who is on the committee will be handing out election packets at the Welcome Center this Saturday and Sunday. Hopefully many owners will pick up their packet and save the Village postage.
Who's on first?
Vote for an entirely NEW Board!
Say no to Re-Runners! Enough damage is Enough!
Anon Iowa.
Good Morning, exciting times for LIV...
Joey
1)Joey is there a place where we can see all the existing committees and the people that chair them or are members of each one?
2) Also is there a place where we can read the rules and regulations the candidates need to follow when campaigning? some are getting quite aggressive...some are even doing it during "Paid By" LIV events (The same Events these candidates throw their friends at our cost.., BBQ, Dances, etc )
3)Can anybody play Golf late in the evening without paying the fees? Monday a lady candidate and husband were seeing doing it...No name were used if the coat fits you...wear it!
Anons Iowa.
Information on members for each committee I can’t tell you. What I can tell you is Article IV (DIRECTORS) of the Bylaws Section 10 (Powers and Duties) says, “(f) To designate one or more committees, which, to the extent provided in the resolution designating such committee, shall have the powers of the Board of Directors in the management of the business and affairs of the Corporation. Such committee shall consist of at least three (3) members of the Corporation, one of whom shall be a Director. The committee or committees shall have such name(s) as may be determined to be needed and one member of the committee shall keep regular minutes of their proceedings and report the same to the Board of Directors as required.”
With it being a Bylaw, you might ask to see each Committee's Minutes.
On the second question just think “South Carolina”.
Third question, late players use to be the honor system where fees were put in an outside box.
anon iowa
#2 LIV DOES NOT PAY FOR dances, bbq's , etc. absolutely no money comes out of your pocket unless you attend !
#3 obviously you are not a golfer. people buy memberships allowing them to play at any time other than when there is a scheduled event like this Saturday when we will be doing our annual cancer rally which has over 140 participants signed up. last year we donated nearly $12,000 to research. after hours golfers without a membership are asked to put $ in the box provided on the honor system.
Thanks Joey:
Not sure why all these committees' business is kept in the dark but I have a pretty good idea...
For any NEW candidate reading this please be aware that owners have asked for transparency and open books for many many years...
A good questions to ask re-runners is this:
Could you please tell us for how many terms have you previously served as a Director? aside not winning a re-election, if you quitted or were removed what are the specific reason(s) that led to you quitting or most importantly your removal.
Thank you again.
Anon Iowa
To the person who posted “Please post our reply to Bud ;EDIT as you deem necessary.” I have thought long about this and the only really good answer is that I will not post just the parts of a comment I feel qualifies. Please try to stay well within what is acceptable instead of trying to test the boundaries. I do though appreciate your spunk.
Joey,
I don't have a problem with someone posting an opinion on a post I make as long as the person puts their name on it.
Bud,
whether or not they post their name, the criteria stays the same.
I hate that I have the final say on if something gets posted but it seems necessary for various reasons.
I believe opinions are one thing and attacking someone in particular over their opinion is another.
What happened to transparency promises?
Yo Joe, I think we are all big kids and can handle some disagreement, we have been well schooled during this election process and you shouldn't fret too much about people expressing their freedom of speech rights. People need to know about folk who are wanting the keys to our community and if they care what people are saying they can defend their record right here. Transparency Rules!
Look guys, I don’t fret about people expressing their freedom of speech.
In fact promote it. Transparency? Just look at my articles.
I must say I do fret when people mix their free speech with direct attacks on someone who may or may not be doing something illegal. That my friend is not a justified opinion that should be recognized.
I ask what if an unidentified person expressed your name and said they heard that you beat your wife. Would you enjoy that kind of free speech or would you seek an attorney. As you said, we are all big kids here and we big kids should know the difference between someone disagreeing or launching a blatant attack. Come on, this is pretty simple so let’s keep it that way.
Joe, do you know of any LIV rule that would prevent the BOD from establishing a one day a month yard sale day? Like every first Saturday of the month residents could place items in their front "yard" for sale. It might be a nice social opportunity to meet neighbors as well as helping many downsize more easily. Thanking you in advance for your comments.
Your blog, your censorship and we appreciate your attempt to let us know you are DELIBERATELY NOT posting all comments you receive. This serves as a notice to all who attempt to learn vital info about their community that the tone of the blog has been "washed" and also that their comment did not just get lost in cyberspace but was intentionally omitted. Ah the TIES that bind!
Good Morning, we are becoming a shanty town faster than you can say
"LIV Trailer Park" streeets are destroyed Aramark cold patches are going to last but a few rain showers... worst yet there is "for sale" signs all over the park.. homes offered for sale, for rent, cars, trucks, boats, golf carts, etc etc... We even saw a garage sale 2 weekends ago that lasted 4 days... the UN_Security company looking the other way...
The rules and regulations are for EVERYBODY not just a few...
Attn: Swimming Pool(s) Committee and Excersise groups:
The Swimming bracelet rule are for EVERYBODY and not only for a FEW unlucky people ...
Be a good EXAMPLE!!! (Some of you are even running for BOD...again)
either that or remove the bracelet rule.
Thanks Joe!
Will the election procedure and counting be NOTARIZED?
Please don't let the 2 couples (and friends) that are currently running and basically controlling the Park get their hands in the process after all 2 of them are running for Directors (Again and Again and Again)...
Nothing is notarized - judges check the ID's on mailed in ballots, but the judges are members of our community chosen by the election committee. I feel this process has been handled very well in past years. What I have concern about this year is people voting via email to a committee member's personal email address plus having a "drop box" at the Welcome Center and using LIV employees to certify ID's, ownership, etc.
I am certain that if some of the procedures being used by the current election committee were challenged, they would be deemed illegal. Another area: mailing the ballots as BULK mail does save considerable expense, but feel certain this type of mailing should be first class mail with forwarding procedures.
As a member of the Election Committee, I agree with "Anonymous" that our election packet should be mailed first class with forwarding procedures. That is, however, the only issue that "Anonymous" has raised that I agree with. The email voting procedure has been a great boon to us as far as reaching a quorum, and we must trust that the people serving on the Election committee are people of integrity and have the best interests of the park at heart. There are so many fail-safes in place on the computer recording of votes that it is impossible for anyone to "rig" the election. Unless you have served on the election Committee in the past 5 years you have no idea how stream-lined the process has become.
What is this rumor I'm hearing about a pass to let non owners into the park to roam around and use our facilities without any supervision? I bought in here because this was a gated community! Our security is not the best but it is better than nothing I guess. Are the security people going to supervise these people? I don't want non owners roaming around in our village! Owners should be upset with our board for even suggesting this! Why isn't this public knowledge in our village? I do believe that they don't want this to be public! Marshall Hoverson Lot 135
I think what you are hearing about is the discussion of access to the park for guests of owners. We have gained a horrid reputation over the years and it is starting to effect sales and property values. To be blunt we need to get out of the insurance police businesss, due to the fact that even if you check a proof of insurance there is no way for us to know if its valid not. Its a useless process that is doing nothing for us but upping our liability and giving us bad reputation. Rule one in risk management, is never make a rule that you cant or wont enforce because you gain nothing but more liability
Rule one in risk management, is never make a rule that you cant or wont enforce because you gain nothing but more liability?
Who was talking about insurance? What a dodge. That's not what the problem is about this policy. This policy lets non-owners a month's worth of access to our amenities with no oversight or added revenues. And then you want to talk about risk management, this absolutely reverses what we consider a gated community into a drive-thru one. With this why do we need to waste paying $200,000 a year for Security?
Amazing, whoever thinks this will help the Park doesn't have a clue.
I am happy that the board it considering making it easier to have visitors. I am sick and tired of the red tape guest have to go to just to visit. It is easier to visit a prisoner. My friends don't want to visit because of this. I should be able to call
the guard shack and let my visitors in. They can after 5 but not during the day. Makes no sense.
I guess I have a problem with our image of treating everyone like a criminal or an ATM machine and its starting to wear on me and our property values. We need to take a good look at our rules and make this a more attractive place to live and still function as a gated community.
Since our board decided we will just let any one come through our gate and enter our community, the number of thefts has increased, vandalism has increased, sexual assault in the bathrooms has happened. We had some control over who came in when you had to be invited by an owner. I'm all for becoming a gated community and you can't come in unless you are invited by an owner!
I bought in LIV because it was a gated community not to see property values increase. Our board should be ashamed for what they have done.
Joey, What is going on with all the water leaks or is this a secret??
It was hardly a secret. In fact at the meetings it has been freely expressed. It began with a noticeable spiked in the water bill that the Park apparently had an undetectable large water leak somewhere.
Being the second time this has happened, the Board reached out to owners to report what they might suspect are leaks and had management systematically check for this large leak.
They found the large leak and many smaller ones. They have been very busy fixing them.
Is it true our manager resigned and if so why ???
I would think it was because he was tired of being the whipping boy for a disfunctional BOD
It was no secret this Board was having issues with the performance of Management and we may have given Management too many opportunities to correct their performance. But with that said, Mr. Wooten quit Aramark, not us. So it seems he had his problem with Aramark, not us.
To the naysayer calling this Board dysfunctional. You have the right to think and the right to your opinion, and you might just be right that this Board is not operating in the usual way as previous Boards, but that doesn’t mean they are operating improperly.
I feel we will have problems with management until we get rid of Aramark. It is time to step up and make a move. We really don't need Aramark. And I am not blaming this BOD.
I think the question is do we need a different mgmt company or do we make the transition back to an in house operation.
To the above comment. Good point. We have to many chiefs
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